Conversations on the Covid Crisis & American Politics

between

Michael D. Robbins and Phillip Lindsay 2021-22.

Edited with commentary by Phillip Lindsay
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The University of the Seven Rays’ (Michael Robbins and others) objection
to Phillip Lindsay’s newsletters – about US politics and later Covid-19.
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Introduction
The purpose of posting these letters publicly – is to demonstrate how belief can over-ride knowing, how even esoteric (or “spiritual”) students can be duped by mainstream media – and how one group leader’s views can affect a large group of people, amplifying group glamours that were part of the mass hypnosis upon Humanity, 2020-2022.

Now, having given some time to reflect over the past few years, out of respect for Michael’s passing in Feb. 2022 – and the grieving process for close family and friends, it has been decided to release these private letters to the greater esoteric/spiritual community.

Not in a spirit of ill-will or criticism, but as a cautionary tale and an urgent call for others to do the necessary work of being properly informed. The release of these letters followed the Virgo 2023 newsletter, Social Engineering: Has the “Spiritual Community”Been Asleep? – and the many comments elicited from it. (A similar newsletter was written in 2021 – at the height of the “pandemic”: Propaganda and the Esoteric Community: The Global Hypnosis in 2021.
 
Phillip Lindsay: Sept. 23, 2023. (Libra Equinox)

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The Correspondence Between Michael and Phillip (2021-22)
(Note, other additional comments made at the time of editing these letters in Sept.2023, are shown in square brackets [ ].)

Feb.3, 2021: Michael [MDR] to Phillip,

Dear Phillip,
All this contention has the potential to create considerable division in the esoteric community. There is a huge glamour re conspiracy theories, with Republicans en mass jumping down that particular rabbit hole (with the uncaring and cynical exploiting their leap). Covid-19 with many subsequent mutations is deadly, no matter how the whole matter is counter-theorized.

And Trump is a psychotic with the arrested psychological development of an eight-year-old. The utter narcissist that it takes to counter democracy. The Battle for Democracy is certainly being fought out in the US and each side is filled with righteous indignation. Not a pretty picture. but I would rather Joe Biden any day–as a human being, as character does count among us imperfect humans–all of us imperfect.

In brotherhood, Michael

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Feb.3, 2021: Phillip Response to Michael

PL: Good to hear from you brother! I take it that people have been complaining to you because they perceive me as “causing division” through some views in my newsletter that run counter to the esoteric community narrative?

You and all the rest should know me better than that – I always strive to strike a balanced view – and I do a hell of a lot more research through the entire spectrum than most; then my intuition weighs it all in the balance.

For you to dismiss as “conspiracy theory” misses the point that there are some Republicans and Libertarians who are quite erudite thinkers. But if you do not watch their interviews or read their articles, you would not know.

There is also a huge glamour in the esoteric community, the glamour of dismissing critical and independent thinking as conspiracy theories! Dismissing “out of hand”, just like “ordinary humanity” does.

I am familiar with the writings and sometimes hysterical claims of some of our group brothers who have blindly sided with the left, not realizing that they have fallen into lockstep with a never-before-seen bias – by practically all media that is in the service of the Democrats.

Have you actually read my latest few newsletters or are you just going on what others have told you – or indeed, are you going along with the major thrust of mainstream media?

I am aware of Trump’s faults, I have pointed them out in much detail in the many pieces that I have written about him in my newsletters these past few years. Has everyone forgotten that? Have they forgotten that also I “took a position” firmly behind leftists Corbyn and Sanders in the past six years too? I lost a lot of Republican-voting subscribers over that, but I felt it the right thing to do.

[Note – Sept.2023: Since achieving a far more apolitical perspective in the past few years, I no longer hold some of the views expressed about Trump. I also believe that Jan.6 was not an insurrection, a lie perpetuated upon the American public via media and goverment. Today we are seeing illegal attempts to indict Trump in one law suit after another. My position on a good candidate for US President is RFK Jr., a real democrat whose own party will no doubt try to sabotage him, as they did with Sanders. But he has his failings too, there are no perfect candidates!]

The main thrust of my arguments [from 2020 to 2022], is that whatever Covid’s alleged potency, it is quite an obvious exaggeration that has Big Pharma, Tech and Media propagandizing for the likes of WHO, WEF and CDC etc. I used to be a “lefty” but the “progressiveness” of the left hardly exists anymore, it has become a travesty of its former self – globally.

Most of my critics have not bothered to explore this. All that I have been at pains in 2020 to elucidate – they have dismissed the evidence out of hand – because they are too closeted in narrow thinking and orthodoxy – it is utterly pathetic to witness.

Even other AAB-based groups jumped on the WEF bandwagon – showing no discrimination whatsoever and subjecting themselves and employees to mask and vaccine mandates. (This sentence has been amended to exclude Lucis Trust, who I am informed – was wrongly attributed. June 14, 2024.) The esoteric community are remarkably uninformed, conservative and politically naïve they are also driven by and caught up in a sixth ray fanaticism and perhaps you [MDR], may not have been immune to it – influenced by the likes of some of your co-workers.

Since Sanders – the best candidate for 2016, had his election stolen from him by his own party (!), I have tried to cultivate a far more apolitical stance. Biden [much has been suppressed by the media about Biden’s business dealings in Ukraine] is no less “evil” than Trump, and meditating groups who scapegoat Trump as “the evil one” – are dangerous and esoterically misguided; it runs counter to many of DK’s instructions:

“The New Group of World Servers seeks to help in the restoration of World balance and peace through the activity-coordinated, definite, and applied—of this emerging group of people, who can constitute a third group or “middle party” (to borrow a phrase from the field of politics) between those who are fighting for, and those who are fighting against, any group, religious organisation, political affiliation or form of government.”1

I am not pro Trump by any measure, but I have given him credit for standing up to bullying by China, withdrawing from WHO. Trump was also led astray by “experts” such as the now (2023) thoroughly discredited Fauci and Deborah Birch. As you well know, no one side of politics is the owner of the truth.

I hope Biden succeeds in bringing the nation together, but he has a tough task and transits these next months. He has already gone along with the whole vaccine push which was one of his and Harris’s pre-election promises.

[Note 2023: The current administration condones, promotes and finances the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine against Russia. So far, an estimated 400,000 Ukraine soldiers dead. But esoteric students steadfastly refuse to look at the causes (ironically this is what esotericism is about!), of the Russia-Ukraine situation; a truly appalling blindness and ignorance in the esoteric/spiritual communities.]

That is the real and present danger, the entire planet is running toward a cliff like the proverbial herd of lemmings – driven along by fear and panic – and it appears that the NGWS has gone to sleep at the wheel. When you look beyond Biden’s superficial appearances, he is not that great – looking at his many mistakes in the past 45 years – he is human and fallible as Trump. Bland and ineffective are words that come to mind.

But let’s hope he shines and makes his mark, now is his opportunity. [2024: I am giving him way more credit here than he deserves! He has dementia and is a puppet of other forces in the Whitehouse.] He may give the nation a thin veneer of respectability but nothing much will change – business as usual with Wall St, beholden to the corporations [like the appropriately named Blackrock].

Anyway, it’s not about these individuals, Trump, Biden etc. – it’s about the deep corruption on both sides of politics – all the people that support these leaders – that needs to be addressed. I fear that there will be many dark days ahead for the USA, I hope it can hold on through this storm of maya unleashed by the Black Lodge.

This is what the Uranus transit squaring Jupiter and Saturn in Aquarius is all about – the world urgently needs radical change – and we may well see some major events in this next week or two. (See newsletter re the stellium in Aquarius Feb.11, 2021.)

So I could rant on of course, but the way I see it, Humanity has been duped, this is the biggest crisis since WWII – we are seeing fascism again in different forms, through Tech-Media-Money oligarchies. This is the real “door where evil dwells” and must be forced shut.

It appears that along with the rest of Humanity, most of the crusty old esotericists [LOL] have fallen for the same hypnosis because they live in their own little bubbles – out of touch with what is happening and only gleaning their news from CNN, BBC programming.

And if they have been doing that for most of their lives, then their conditioning would never question otherwise – propaganda has become so refined in the last 100 years, and propaganda is pure glamour.

With the exception of a few other co-workers whom I deeply respect and who concur with my views, I am part of a minority [about 20%]. That certainly does not make us “wrong”, historically its usually the other way around – critical, philosophical thinkers are a minority among the majority of humanity who are still polarised in Atlantean consciousness.

My Libran nature does not set out to make people uncomfortable, but I have a profound sense of duty to enunciate the truth as I see it from my extensive analyses and good intuition. If that makes me persona non grata, then so be it!

with love and great respect,
Phillip

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10 months later in Dec. 2021, Michael brought the subject up again with an invitation for debate:

Phillip declined this invitation, seeing it as an exercise in futility, and somewhat of an ambush: Consensus opinion by several people wanting to prove their “rightness” – against one other person. Fair and balanced? Receptive listening? I think not!

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Dec.14, 2021: Michael to Phillip
Dear Phillip,
I would say that you and I have to have a talk over Skype or Skype phone, probably. Please send me a phone number which I can use on Skype Phone.

I want to clarify whether you have established an anti-glamour group which essentially is in deliberate conflict with the Glamor Group Work I am promoting. I want to know if you believe in the value of Donald Trump and his power-hungry and, in my view, cowardly Republicans against which type DK inveighed.

I want to know if you have not examined the liabilities of Mercury in Scorpio just as you did for Mme. Roerich, though this time, as that position applies to you. I want to know why you impugn the research efforts of thousands upon thousands to medical research workers.

Frankly, I want to know whether you have gone off the deep end and are so sure of yourself that you do not even consider the possibility. I want to know the state of your mental balance, frankly. [!]

The type of information you are promoting could be responsible for the loss of life, as in the case of the Reigle’s son. I did not find your letter to them at all helpful to them. It offered them, to me, meaningless justifications and unsatisfying promises about the future, at the same time assuring them that no vaccine could have helped their son. Vaccines save lines. If you don’t believe it, go where Covid-19 is being breathed forth, IF you dare.

I also know that you are now working in collaboration with Lyn [Hebenstreit – See his letter to Michael Robbins here]. If Covid-19 is a hoax, there is a good way to find out, but I do not think you would be so foolish as to make the attempt.

There will always be the selfish people–DK singled out this dangerous type and deplored their activities. They are with us again, yes, more sophisticated than ever. But the medical industry is NOT filled with people of ill will. DK complimented them as perhaps the most selfless group, probably in Esoteric Healing. Again I can find supportive quotations, or at least one really good one.

World government is really the way of the Aquarian future, as much as people tremble at the prospect of giving up personality prerogatives for a better, wider future for all. I can find the DK quotes.

Yes, there are medical dangers for a few, and, yet, salvation from the predations of this dread disease –which does indeed exist–for the many. Wherever the selfish are found they will be rooted out and One Worldism will prevail–of that I have no doubt–though many will long for safety in cramped personality enclaves and long for the return of America’s MOST SELFISH president. The unparalleled narcissist. Those who foolishly do thus long, are far from true esoteric psychology thinking.

That’s my position. So if you will honor my request for a straight conversion, we can settle some of the matters which I have brought forward to you and which cause me no end of disbelief in your judgment.

Your friend as always, Michael
And yes, you can share this with Lyn as I know you will.

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Dec.14, 2021: Phillip (PL) Response to Michael (MDR)
Phillip’s responses are interleaved between Michael’s comments.)

MDR: Dear Phillip,
I would say that you and I have to have a talk over Skype or Skype phone, probably. Please send me a phone number which I can use on Skype Phone. I want to clarify whether you have established an anti-glamour group which essentially is in deliberate conflict with the Glamor Group Work I am promoting.

PL: I have been involved with group glamour meditations for several years. The group I am currently working with is the resurrected Methuselah Project that ran from 2007-2014. We spontaneously decided to come back together, to address urgent world need – about eight months ago. We then decided to work with DK’s world glamour meditation to be more effective.

Your statement about our work being in “deliberate conflict” with your glamour work is ridiculous and smacks somewhat of ego and paranoia – a glamour in itself brother! No one has exclusive rights to do this work, or do you think you have some special blessing from the Master to do so? I know of several other groups using the same meditation, do you want to accuse them too?

MDR: I want to know if you believe in the value of Donald Trump and his power-hungry and, in my view, cowardly Republicans against which type DK inveighed.

PL: This is a superficial accusation which others have levelled at me just because I adopted a more apolitical approach to the Capitol’s so-called “siege”. A real siege would have been an armed and bloody insurrection.

And also because of my stance on Coronavirus. You appear to have fallen into the trap that those who choose to adopt a different attitude about the Plannedemic are somehow politically to the right. [Such a naïve and superficial assumption!]

If I have learnt one thing in the past couple of years, I have reached an apolitical attitude for the first time, leaning on the left most of my life. You and many others seem to conveniently overlook the fact that I championed Sanders and Corbyn for several years in my newsletters, before I realised how their own people sabotaged their re-election, and how utterly corrupt the left is – as is the right, mostly doing the bidding of corporate lackeys.

I also spent several years running down Trump for his many obvious flaws. He is not someone I support but he has done several good things like standing up to China and criticising the undue power of the media – credit where due.

You think Biden and Harris are a better choice? None of them are, the USA is on its knees right now and its Dweller is in full expression on both the left and right of politics. Unfortunately the power of the media and Silicon Valley is held by the left and they are dictating censorship, not allowing discussion or debate about this staged global situation – because they are fully in on it!

MDR: I want to know if you have not examined the liabilities of Mercury in Scorpio just as you did for Mme. Roerich, though this time, as that position applies to you.

PL: It was actually HR’s moon in Scorpio, but of course I have – all planets, signs and rays have their shadow expression. Mercury in Scorpio has always been my main intuitive writing tool, helping with penetrating insights to delve behind the outer seeming of things, as I have done with the mountain of material [on Covid], that I have sifted through in the past two years.

I doubt you or hardly anyone else in the esoteric community has done that kind of due diligence to examine all sides of the story. As I said to David Reigle, about whom you have unfairly criticised me, if academics like him or you took as much time to do that kind of research as you have done in your brilliant esoteric work – you might have a different perspective.

But you have not done the work, you have lazily accepted what comes down the brainwash tube on CNN, or listened to some of your co-workers who claim to be medical experts – the glamour of medical authority. Dear brother, your comments indicate how utterly out of touch you are with the current state of the world because of your one-pointed focus on the ageless wisdom for the past 60 years.

You have not kept up and for good reason – in not distracting yourself from your dharma. But the downside is that you now find yourself utterly befuddled in this global crisis – because you have not informed yourself adequately, or have rejected many ideas such as cabals and cartels that DK actually discusses.

There is another kind of esotericism which I woke up to in 2006, after 22 years of AAB study, realising after a lot of research, that 9/11 was indeed an inside job. So if you are rolling your eyes at this point, then it reveals how long a way you have to go in drawing a conclusion about that particular truth.

And now we are in a similar position, of the next big lie to Humanity, but on a global scale. I do not deny the fact that Covid kills people [the annual flu stats are around half a billion], I simply say that it is most certainly a bioweapon deliberately unleashed upon Humanity for an ultimate endgame that is becoming increasingly obvious.

MDR: I want to know why you impugn the research efforts of thousands upon thousands to medical research workers.

PL: I have impugned those researchers because many of them are in Big Pharma’s pocket, as many studies detail. But I have also supported the views of a far greater majority of medical experts – cited copiously in my newsletters for the past two years – if you have actually bothered to read them! (Coronavirus parts 1-23 here) These experts have been totally marginalised and censored by the media – so again, you have to go looking for their views outside MSM.

The “medical experts” who are dictating public policy are a smaller group of powerful, moneyed, pharmaceutical interests working through WHO and WEF. The web of connections and proofs is staggering, should you choose to not dismiss these facts out of hand and do your research.

[Today there is an avalanche of evidence emerging from medical experts all over the world proving the sham of Coronavirus, – such as Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Pierre Kory – their names are legion!]

MDR: Frankly, I want to know whether you have gone off the deep end and are so sure of yourself that you do not even consider the possibility. I want to know the state of your mental balance, frankly.

PL: LOL! I have ruthlessly questioned myself every step of the way and have acted according to my conscience. If you are trying to bait me by calling my mental balance into question, I am not biting. [Ad hominem attacks are the refuge of the perplexed or desperate.] I call Mercury in Scorpio the “deep sea diver” and so yes, I have “gone off the deep end” – probing the depths for meaning and truth. (Mercury in Scorpio: Deep Sea Diver 2019)

And yes, I do not deny that this planetary position can be sharp at times [even suspicious or paranoid], but I am not going to spare the sword in my dialogue with you; it is needed to cut through the thick layers of illusion and bullshit that you have accumulated thus far in your stables. If only you could see that brother, many of your co-workers in the field are somewhat incredulous that you hold these uninformed views.

Of course it goes both ways and I am sure you and your acolytes feel the same way – “Phillip, Lyn and Vic have all lost the plot, we are deeply glamoured and serving the dark forces” – these are such superficial and untrue criticisms/projections.

I have chosen to take a position on this global situation because I believe it is an assault by the BL upon humanity, very similar to the 1930’s – as I have been at pains to explain. So I must go with my conscience, my heart and intuition on this – as well as a TON of Virgo research, sorting the wheat from the chaff.

And here we have the unique schisms in spiritual communities and humanity as a whole. The glamour of division has succeeded in driving a wedge between us all. I know that in our meditations we all include our group brothers regardless of their position, because to not do so would considerably weaken Hierarchy and the NGWS. How do we stay engaged with such polarised views?

MDR: The type of information you are promoting could be responsible for the loss of life, as in the case of the Reigle’s son. I did not find your letter to them at all helpful to them. It offered them, to me, meaningless justifications and unsatisfying promises about the future, at the same time assuring them that no vaccine could have helped their son. Vaccines save lines. If you don’t believe it, go where Covid-19 is being breathed forth, IF you dare.

PL: Here you have had an emotional reaction/outrage to what I said, based again, upon your limited knowledge about vaccines. There is also a not so pleasant emotional blackmail angle here, insinuating that I am somehow responsible for someone’s death. I am not going to bother quoting chapter and verse about vaccine studies, it is as complex and voluminous as A Treatise on Cosmic Fire!

Lyn is better informed than me and can point you to many studies, but would you listen or bother to follow up? I doubt it. Lyn reached out to you with a heartfelt letter a few weeks ago, that you did not have the courtesy to respond – just the usual “thanks for your letter, I will check it out”. Most disingenuous Michael, I have had similar or no responses from you. Why should I take you seriously if you cannot communicate?

As a constant traveler, I have been in touch with thousands of people “where covid is breathed forth” including some people who had it. I trust my natural immunity over a cocktail of harmful poisons that no longer work; this is stated openly now, double vax does not stop you from getting Covid. And I will not be dictated to by governments or big pharma to take it. [Since this writing I have caught Covid three times, but so has the majority of the vaccinated!]

All the “experts” are saying this now. So how is that working out for you – so many people must be feeling like duped idiots, even as they fall for the next lie of moronic Omicron, propagandised to the public at large.

If you respect ANYTHING that Lyn and I have contributed to the ageless wisdom and global service in the past several decades, then you might take some pause for thought that we actually know what we are talking about. Careful, pragmatic, discerning, meticulous – words that could be applied to both of us.

But if you do not recognise our contribution, then do you somehow regard yourself as an unassailable authority trying to control “rebels” in your own community? You might be an authority in some of your work but not out here on the free range.

MDR: I also know that you are now working in collaboration with Lyn. If Covid-19 is a hoax, there is a good way to find out, but I do not think you would be so foolish as to make the attempt.

PL: We have already thoroughly proved for ourselves that it has been a larger agenda hoaxed upon Humanity with a real disease that kills people. Again, I point you to my copious writings on the subject. I know however, one can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. You have to arrive at that point yourself, which you appear to still stubbornly refuse to do.

Recalcitrance, willful ignorance or cognitive dissonance. It points to the fact that you and many others have already made up their minds about this situation and that nothing anyone can say will move you from that position. Belief not knowledge. Crystallisation.

That is why I refused your initial debate offer and even had some qualms about responding in this long letter. I am sure you will share it with all your group, perhaps to affirm my “derangement”, and likewise I might consider publishing it for general edification and transparency. Though for now this is private.

[In 2023, since the Virgo newsletter, as a relevant follow-up, the decision has been made to make these letters public, “warts and all”, but more widely since June 12, 2024.]

MDR: There will always be the selfish people–DK singled out this dangerous type and deplored their activities. They are with us again, yes, more sophisticated than ever. But the medical industry is NOT filled with people of ill will. DK complimented them as perhaps the most selfless group, probably in Esoteric Healing. Again I can find supportive quotations, or at least one really good one.

PL: You need to read RFK Jr’s latest book on Fauci – no wonder it is a best seller, full of truth bombs. That medical group may have been “most selfless” a century ago when DK wrote the book, but since then many have been co-opted, compromised and corrupted by Big Medicine, Pharma etc. – the entirely unbalanced allopathic approach to healing – that denies and demonises any “alternative” or complimentary approach.

MDR: World government is really the way of the Aquarian future, as much as people tremble at the prospect of giving up personality prerogatives for a better, wider future for all. I can find the DK quotes.

PL: I am in complete agreement with this, which includes one world politics, religion, currency etc. – but RIGHTLY MOTIVATED. What we are seeing at the moment is a hijack of that ideal by the Materialistic Forces. Hierarchy are against totalitarianism and this is occurring now globally.

If you do not watch the videos of vast demonstrations, people being abused in the streets by police for simply protesting, challenging the narrative, being arrested in their homes, elderly violently thrown to the ground etc. etc. – then you would not know, because most of it is not shown on CNN, except to focus on where there may have been a bit of violence.

You [MDR] have to wake up to this FACT, it is not paranoid speculation, it is unfolding right before our eyes – while glamour Neptune is passing through Pisces. Similar to the gullible Pisces personality of Germany WWII.

MDR: Yes, there are medical dangers for a few, and, yet, salvation from the predations of this dread disease –which does indeed exist–for the many. Wherever the selfish are found they will be rooted out and One Worldism will prevail–of that I have no doubt–though many will long for safety in cramped personality enclaves and long for the return of America’s MOST SELFISH president. The unparalleled narcissist. Those who foolishly do thus long, are far from true esoteric psychology thinking.

PL: Again you bring in the Trump boogeyman, the American dweller that so many project and scapegoat upon, while not looking at their own baggage.

MDR: That’s my position. So if you will honor my request for a straight conversion, we can settle some of the matters which I have brought forward to you and which cause me no end of disbelief in your judgment.

Your friend as always, Michael

PL: At this point, a conversation is not on my horizon, unfortunately. That will only happen if you get better informed and I doubt that will happen. You are adamant in your position.

Myself, Lyn and Vic have deeply studied what you have chosen not to, so a skype conversation is going to go nowhere. I am not going to lock horns with your concrete mind – my intuition has revealed truths that I stand by.

True dialogue is about listening, receiving, reflecting, digesting and putting oneself in the vulnerable position to the possibility of changing a viewpoint. Doing that requires some relinquishment of long-held views and the development of some humility.

Your brother always,
Phillip

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Dec.19 2021: Michael to Phillip

Dear Phillip,
I have your latest Newsletter, always well written. I also see you do not intend to answer me with my concerns about where you are leading people [Phillip did, at length – but MDR must have missed it], even if it would mean their death should they stand by your misleading, in my view, distrust of vaccines and God knows what all.

As I stated, you found out why Mme. Roerich was paranoid about AAB and nurtured an image of a lurking Black Lodge Member with whom AAB was estimated to be conferring. A completely erroneous take. But you have not applied the same interpretation to yourself who has, I believe, the same Scorpio position of Mercury.

Though I wish you no harm I cannot think you would be fool enough to venture into closed spaces where Covid-19 is being liberally breathed upon others. Nor do I think Lyn would do so. Faced with such a choice, you would be wise to refrain.

Unfortunately, the Reigle’s son, no matter to whom he had been listening, was not so wise and simply died–in Michigan, was it? Do you know for a fact that it was not you he was listening too, or do you have proof that it was not?

All this problem is about not giving the disease to others.  The disease does exist. It is whistling past the grave-yard at midnight to pretend it does not.

I don’t think you want to get rid of the vaccine for measles, for mumps, for whooping cough, for smallpox, for polio, for flu of various kinds. I believe the same will come to pass through the medical researchers with regard to the vaccines for Covid.

Yes, there will be some very few, serious reactions, but with Omega we apparently have a mutation which spreads, was it 70 times faster than Delta? Do you honestly believe that all this is simply lies made to kill people for the sake of a eugenic fantasy and make a few very very rich? That to me, is a crazy position, and, I repeat, the root, in my estimation is fear.

I don’t like being so direct with you, as I have long respected your research and the light you have given to others. But here I think you are dangerously off the mark and if people take you seriously on this point, they may well die when otherwise they might not have died.

Sacrifice is an interesting dynamic. Eighth house and twelfth even the fourth. Give up something lesser for oneself for the sake of something better for others–scary dynamic at first. I guess, if I were you, I would really be cautious until your own psychological dynamics are validated. Our real freedom comes with the welfare of the Whole–not in taking a quixotic stand for personal independence regardless of the potential deleterious effect upon others.

Always with admiration for what you have done in general for the field of esotericism, even if, this time, I think you have the wrong end of the stick and are beating people with the other end to allay your own fears. If what I say is true, no doubt you will be indignant. If so, it would be a sign. I doubt that you will be so indignant that you fearlessly step into and dwell for a significant time within a Covid-19 infested closed space.

In Brotherhood as Always, Michael

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Dec.19, 2021: Phillip Response to Michael

Michael, Brother this is quite a projection and you are off on a couple of points entirely, for the simple matter that you do not really know me. I reject your comparison to HR utterly, and many of my co-workers would disagree with you.

The bottom line with your letter is that you have not absorbed or really understood the nature of it, instead you take a somewhat ad hominem approach by questioning my integrity, usually the refuge of those who do not have a counter argument. And then you try and do a bit of guilt tripping on the death of David’s son – again!

I am not going to address the rest of your letter as it will just be restating what has already been stated. Omicron is a lightweight virus and if you have fallen for that one too, I do not know what to say to you. I leave it to Lyn perhaps to give you his perspective. By the way, I do not do indignation, mainly sadness at this situation.

Mine is a matter of fact discourse, but it’s not really a dialogue, because I do not think you are listening. You are engaging in personal attack and appear to have a complete resistance to consideration of all the other factors I mentioned in my letter to you, and over the past two years in my writings.

Have you written any deeply reflective philosophical essays about why you take the position you have? I have not seen anything from you or anyone else [in the USR] in the past two years. Do you even have an argument at all, or are you just content to take sniping potshots from the side-lines, reacting emotionally to me?

I have two years of thoroughly researched, reasoned arguments from the exoteric data to the esoteric, using astrology and the rays. Nary a peep from anyone else. I think that once anyone sits down to try and reason out an argument, they will find themselves on very shaky ground and would not pursue it, unless they were a fanatical, unreasoning propagandist.

I will take full responsibility for the position I hold, which is a minority position. It takes courage to make a stand that people like Lyn and myself have adopted – you have no idea how much that has puts us in the firing line of projected nastiness.

In fact, one of Lyn’s initiatives is called “Courageous Conversations”. Fear makes people cave in to the mainstream narrative and take the jabs, without a full investigation of the facts, and for motives of expediency or “consideration” for others.

We have both acted upon our well-researched and carefully weighed evidence, acting on conscience and intuition. We fight for everyone on this issue, especially our group brothers who have made decisions contrary to ours. Thousands of professionals, if not millions around the world, hold similar views to us – but you appear to dismiss them out of hand or not even bother to investigate.

We know that a majority position that you have opted for, is not necessarily right. The majority of Nazi Germany was convinced of their rightness because of the mass Piscean brainwashing of the time.

As Neptune passes through Pisces now and whilst USA’s progressed sun is in this sign, the same mass glamour/hypnotism is occurring. It appears Michael, that you and the USR have been swept into that glamour and are most convinced of your rightness on the matter. I am not the only person with this view in our community.

It appears  that never the twain shall meet on this issue which is very unfortunate. I doubt if any further dialogue is going to be of any use – I grieve for the schism in our group but am always aware of the unbreakable soul bonds. All that I do, write and communicate is to warn of these impending dangers – not based upon paranoia or conspiracy, but FACTS – as many sleepwalk through this crisis.

Likewise – in brotherhood,
Phillip

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Dec.20 2021: Phillip’s Added Response to Michael

Michael,
Just briefly, you make points and questions to which I have already responded in my first long letter to you. I have already answered where I stand on Covid and Trump – please re-read the letter. You seem to have forgotten it or just parsed over it. Yes I know Scorpio and paranoia and I have experienced it of course – but I reject your proposition comparing me to HR.

CDC is desperately corrupted – you will find that if you do your homework – Lyn knows a lot about this. JB was part of that establishment so he still sticks up for it, even though it is something entirely different now.

Yes of course, multiple sources in the mainstream are basically telling everyone that the first two jabs have caused multiple side effects and fatalities, and are useless against Omicron – see Lyn’s letter today.

You are right in your theory about SK [Sanat Kumara] and dread disease, but what has happened here is that misguided people are trying to play god – they are attempting to usurp the will of SK – there has been an attempted hijack of the Planetary Plan, all driven by the BL [Black Lodge] as we hurtle toward 2025.

Hierarchy are allowing it to unfold, to test all levels of humanity for initiation, and the discernment of disciples. I never said that you are misleading people but in your position, any of your followers will take as gospel anything you do or say.

And I have never been distrustful or suspicious at heart, in fact my own naivety about people has given me some tough lessons. Again, a lot of your comments indicate that you do not really know me, or have a superficial knowledge.

I give people the benefit of the doubt for way longer than I need to – whether its personal friends in our community or people like Gates, who I have written about several times in 15 years. I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt because he has utterly revealed himself in many ways.

You keep making statements that I distrust thousands of medical workers, to which I have already responded. Unless you go back and study with care my letters to you, instead of sending haphazard shots across my bow, repeating questions which I have already addressed, truly study the links that both Lyn and I have provided, then this conversation is at an end. The ball is in your court Michael, don’t be a laggard to yourself, you might even have a road to Damascus moment!

I wish you and Tuija a beautiful Christmas,
Phillip

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Dec.20, 2021: Michael Response to Phillip

Dear Phillip,
Your long letter re ad hominem attributions deserves an answer which I cannot thoroughly give it right now. Obviously, neither one of us wants to be caught unsuspectingly in a web of projection. You have made attributions re the USR, maybe not using my name, nor have I used yours when speaking directly to you. I guess I shall have to go point for point in your letter, letting you know where I take exception.

I want to make sure I understand you–whether you believe Covid-19 to be a hoax, whether you believe the supremely selfish, malevolent narcissist who was the former president to be good for the United States and the world. I have a number of points to take up with you, though you show no tendency to attempt to answer them [!]. And yet, to me, they are important points.

By the way, as maybe you suspect, I am one of those disciples against whom negative forces are “warring militantly” so you are not alone in finding terror, as you did in [redacted] home–I do not criticize you for that encounter. You tuned in on something terrifying, whatever its source may have been. [Remarks about another person redacted for their privacy.]

Thank you for correcting the Moon in Scorpio vs Mercury in Scorpio distinction between you and HR. I did not remember correctly and I am interested in accuracy. But, generically, we do see what Scorpio can do regarding paranoia.

Everyone knows that. If you distrust the conventional medical community (CDC for instance and the likes of our Brother Jose) and implicitly trust your sources, then you and I will quickly exhaust anything we might have to talk about. [Note: It was Michael’s trust in this person as a co-worker – and his “authority” as a former CDC associate and medical doctor, that solidified his views on the Covid crisis.]

Obviously, I also want to know, for clarification, whether you consider the Covid-19 vaccines useless or even worse. I do not wish to attribute to you a position in which you may not believe, but from what I have gathered so far, you at least seem to find such vaccines not only useless but dangerous. Upon that point, regardless of who espouses it, I will necessarily take vigorous exception.

Thousands of medical researchers, highly trained, (and in my view, inclined towards humanitarianism) are either, all of them, attempting to deceive the public to make Bill Gates and his ilk filthy rich, or they are sincerely trying to combat what I consider a dread disease–indicated by the Tibetan as under the possible initiative of Sanat Kumara [!], and streaming throughout native American prophecy, for which I have increasing respect. You have heard perhaps of the White Brother (giving humanity time to solve its own problems) and the Red Brother (grown impatient and with the power to kill?).

[See this recent damning video about Bill Gates: The Real Bill.]

As regards the depth or putable non-existence of my philosophical tendencies, I think you should hesitate before impugning them. They are deeply ontological (somewhat along the line of Heidigger and Sartre) and you just aren’t interested in my in-depth philosophical research, largely derived from climbing the Mountain of Vision for myself.

On topic, we shall see what Omicron brings, what Delta continues to do, how flu may confound the whole mess, and how many may die through indiscriminate, ultimately impractical assimilation of conspiratorial thinking. In my present condition, I could be gone tomorrow or maybe not, or fall victim to the Covid which is increasingly rampant throughout Europe.

[Indeed, Michael passed soon after, more on this later.]

Finland [MDR’s residence] is low, but Covid intensification is growing everywhere–unless, of course, you believe that no one really dies from Covid and the whole thing is money-making, eugenically based fabrication by the subtle controllers of human thought and action.

That might be a hard position to defend when we have learned about SK’s contemplated pandemic intervention, which, at the time contemplated, turned out, for that time, not to be necessary. But humanity has not learned and, yes, the power-hungry and loveless from every quarter are on the attack, spurred on by the nefarious forces.

Well, looks like I wrote a longer letter in partial response–longer than I intended. I will say, that you, if you think no one really dies of Covid and that the whole thing is really a hoax or close to hoax, you could prove it by going into the thick of things.

[These “proofs” were achieved in 2 years of writings, which Michael ignored.]

But you will not dignify my suggestion with even the slightest response, even though such foolhardy action would test the sincerity of your beliefs–IF you believe in the hoax scenario. Of course, as your long-term friend, I would not advise it, nor for Lyn.

Fundamentally, I believe we are both ‘on the same side’ when it comes to respecting the Ageless Wisdom and spreading it, and, of course, I include Lyn. I have never thought that you have been doing anything but good in your efforts to do so. But for some strange reason, I think based on that aspect of character which is based on TRUST, we now stand opposed to each other–with you deeply convinced that I am misleading and endangering people.

And while I do not doubt reports of the medical mischief for which modern medicine in general has been responsible (as Lyn reports), I seem to be a more trusting person than you–you would deem me ignorant and naive.

I do not call you ignorant and naive–but I do think you distrust those thousands of medical researchers and lab workers who are on the front line attempting to stop a dread disease in its tracks. You seem to think they are just doing a job, useless after all, in the employ of the elite, eugenicist manipulators.

I do not see us changing our positions until something incontrovertibly decisive comes along–something undeniable in the eyes of all thinking people. If the vaccinated ones start dropping like flies, or if hospitals become terminally overwhelmed – due to the inconsiderate freedom of speech arguments of the unvaccinated, then there will be incontrovertible FACTS on the ground, and the whole debate will move on in a more decisive direction.

Well then, a long letter from me in but partial response to yours below, received by me last night. I have appended your letter to this one, for the sake of completeness. Bottom line for me, humanity has screwed around far too much and SK is tired of it! The Red Brother is having his day.

[Unsigned]

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Phillip The email above was the last communication I had from Michael. We both had the mutual opinion that it was pointless to communicate. Four weeks later – toward the end of January 2022, I heard on the grapevine that Michael was going to a hospital in Finland to take his third Covid shot. I immediately intuited that he would die from the shot (attacking predisposing ailments), within three weeks – and he did, passing on the full moon of Aquarius on Feb.16, 2022. (A sad, but very well timed exit!)

Now in Sept.2023 [and June 2024], there is an avalanche of evidence coming out about how many people have died after the 3^rd shot, how many young people have died of heart attacks on the sports field, vaccine injuries in the millions. And yet so many people still cannot connect the dots or refuse to do so – such deep cognitive dissonance.

I wonder if Michael’s family and friends are in denial about why Michael passed – arguably before his time? Similarly, other figures in the esoteric community, such as astrologer Alan Oken who promoted vaccination – believed to have passed soon after he took the 2^nd shot.

After nearly four years since this planned assault on Humanity started, we have all had a bit more time to reflect on what has happened, having a chance to see more lies, contradictions and tall stories defending vaccines in the media.

Surely in this light, the esoteric community might have changed its mind, climbed down from high perches of self-righteousness or pride. But it appears not, the majority still hold the same views as Michael three years ago. The glamour of authority, even in esoteric groups can remain for a long while.

In his position as group leader at the top of the pyramid, Michael’s perspective and those close to him, crystallised his position for the organisations of Morya College and the University of the Seven Rays. That left a tarnish upon his legacy, upon Michael’s amazing output for over 50 years, – that brought thousands of people together through several decades of conferences. I and many others will forever be grateful for his service, friendship and generosity.

I have no other motive to reveal these letters than to shine some light into the shadows of our spiritual group life; to understand propaganda and mass mind control; to exercise critical thinking and discriminate – to sort the wheat from the chaff. So I would implore and enjoin others in the community to reflect upon what has been written here, to suspend your existing judgements and seriously entertain other perspectives – rather than choosing the route of “esoteric studies escapism”.

As a final note, several months ago on a powerful new moon period, I had contact with Michael over three nights in the subjective worlds. The conversations were friendly and not related to any of what has been related above, more about the continuation of the Teachings and their dissemination in the world.

Michael is very active on the inner planes – his usual indefatigable self, preparing for a new incarnation no doubt, participating in the final push to externalise the ashrams, ahead of the Reappearance of the Christ.

Phillip Lindsay (Sept. 23, 2023.)

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Comments from current and past participants in the USR/Morya College initiatives and conferences – can be found at the bottom of the page in the comments section of the Virgo 2023 newsletter.

See also Lyn Hebenstreit’s letters:
Letter to Michael D. Robbins
Please Don’t Inject My Grandkids with a Covid-19 “Vaccine”.
Covid-19 Investigations (Duane Carpenter)
Phillip’s Obituary for Michael.

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Dialogue versus Debate

 Dialogue is collaborative: two or more sides work together toward common understanding.
o Debate is oppositional: two sides oppose each other and attempt to prove each other wrong.

 In dialogue, finding common ground is the goal.
o In debate, winning is the goal.

 In dialogue, one listens to the other side(s) in order to understand, find meaning and find agreement.
o In debate, one listens to the other side in order to find flaws and to counter its arguments.

 Dialogue enlarges and possibly changes a participants point of view.
o Debate affirms a participant’s own point of view.

 Dialogue reveals assumptions for re-evaluation.
o Debate defends assumptions as truth.

 Dialogue causes introspection on ones own position.
o Debate causes critique of the other position.

 Dialogue opens the possibility of reaching a better solution than any of the original solutions.
o Debate defends one’s own positions as the best solution and excludes other solutions.

 Dialogue creates an open-minded attitude: an openness to being wrong and an openness to change.
o Debate creates a close-minded attitude, a determination to be right.

 In dialogue, one submits ones best thinking, knowing that other people’s reflections will help improve it rather than destroy it.
o In debate, one submits one’s best thinking and defends it against challenge to show that it is right.

 Dialogue calls for temporarily suspending one’s beliefs.
o Debate calls for investing wholeheartedly in one’s beliefs.

 In dialogue, one searches for basic agreements.
o In debate, one searches for glaring differences.

 In dialogue one searches for strengths in the other positions.
o In debate one searches for flaws and weaknesses in the other position.

 Dialogue involves a real concern for the other person and seeks to not alienate or offend.
o Debate involves a countering of the other position without focusing on feelings or relationship and often belittles or deprecates the other person.

 Dialogue assumes that many people have pieces of the answer and that together they can put them into a workable solution.
o Debate assumes that there is a right answer and that someone has it.

 Dialogue remains open-ended.
o Debate implies a conclusion.

(Adapted from a paper prepared by Shelley Berman, which was based on discussions of the Dialogue Group of the Boston Chapter of Educators for Social Responsibility (ESR).)

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1. Esoteric Psychology II, Alice A. Bailey. p.676. [↩]